Connemara
I have 3 marathons under my belt and have decided to do Connemara Ultra. I went out hard in Dublin and found it very tough in the latter stages. So how do you best decide on your pacing for Connemara. The most I have ever run is 26.2 so I dont know what the story is when you get into that extra distacne, plus the hills plus any adverse weather. any suggestions
You're mad give up ultra running and start racing triathlons like your talented brother.
I would but I'd have to learn to swim and run slower :)
I have 14 marathons under my belt and have also decided to do the Connemara ultra.What is the longest training run i should do and how many of these,for the marathon i do 4 or 5 twenty plus runs.Walk breaks when do i take them or would it be ok to run the first 26 very slow ( if i can ) because i hear its hills the whole way and then walk/run the last 13.My main aim is just to get round and enjoy it with no pressure off times for a change.
hey i am doing this as my first ultra done 2 marathons and was looking for advice from people who have done it before on what miles they did on long runs trianing for it
I have done it twice now. The first time I did a fair amount of training by trying to follow the Hal Higdons training plan. What suits one person may not suit another. Its a good starting point but may be a bit much as it is for a 56 mile race. Conn is 39.3 so you may not want to do as many long runs as that plan suggests.
I would say that you would need to have run at the very least 1 run of 30 miles distance. This would be in addition to the usual 4-6 runs of 20 miles plus that you would do training for a standard marathon. the worst of Connemara is the last 3rd of the race so have a walk run strategy prepared for that section of it. You could run the first 2/3rds and then switch to walk run for the last part. That is what I will be doing this year. Again.
Aspirational Ultra runner here in need of some motivation and advice. Im following a Hal Higdon training plan adapted from 54 miles to 39. Ive run 25 marathons in 8 years, mostly between 4:15 and 4:30 so Im not fast, just stubborn! Every weekend I tell myself Im dropping out, when I feel Ive spent my whole weekend either running or thinking about it! Then come Monday Im back on track. Major fear is an injury that might put me out of action in the longer term, I couldnt bear the thought of not being able to run for weeks as I need it to clear my head! I dont know if the aches and pains Im having now are just a "wall" I need to run through or a problem waiting in the wings to take me down. Im up to 44 miles a week and have a couple of back to back 20+s to look forward to in the next 4 or 5 weeks. Anyone else feeling the pain already or am I just not built for this kind of mileage? Im not too proud to pull back to marathon distance if thats the right thing to do long term.
Hi Lucy, I am the same only my marathon time are much slower than yours! Think I can do better or just maybe think the longer distance may suit be better but I've hit a training bump along the road more mental than physical at the moment and now I'm begining to think just like everyone else around me....am I mad? Feel a little stuck at the moment and don't know how to unstick myself any ideas welcome :( yvonne008
Yvonne, Stick with it, dont give up. When I wrote that post I was feeling awful and now just a week later Ive stopped listening to those who say Im mad and indeed those giving me "advice" and Im just doing my own thing. This Ultra will be done by me and for me so Im just getting on with it. I had hoped there was an "idiots guide to utra running" somewhere but I dont think there is as everyone is so different so if Im getting things wrong so be it. I still hurt of course but this isnt meant to be easy, if it was half the country would be doing it and all those people telling us we are mad would be at the start line too. Im ticking off each long run, not beating myself up about not being the perfect athlete (eating all the right stuff and such like, chocolate tastes just TOO good) and thinking how great I will feel when Im in that exclusive ultramarathon club, we will be few. We may never get this chance again and Im really grateful for the health to do it. Hang in there, day by day, long run by long run and 11th April will be on us before we know it.
Listen guys for anyone doing the Ultra, marathon or half in Connemara you really have to read the peice written by Mick Rice, "the description of the route" its beautiful and is exactly what I found last year only he knows the names of all the wonderful places, its long as he stated but OMG so so very true, believe me its really worth the read. makes you want to don your trainers and see for yourself right now, yvonne
Yvonne, you seem to be doing some savage training, 3+ hours runs with a few hours running in the pool the same day, you'll probably hit the 39.3 miles and keep going for another circuit.!
Have had to seriously vut short the prep as I hurt some shin muscles 2 weeks ago and only getting out again this week, missed the 30mile prep run and no long runs in over 3 weeks. Going to have to rely on the Jan-Feb prep to keep going as I think its getting late to go long unless I can do one last one this weekend. going to test out the foot and see how it holds up.
Where do you do the aqua running, as thats what I should have tried? Couldnt do the cross trainer or bike as they both hurt, so just rested and just starting up again. Should make the last 5 miles of Connemara interesting
Jesus dsedeath dont give up your not on your own! Did my back in hence I'm in the pool! Went onto Catherina McKeirnan sight and was luckey they were holding a training session on the aqua running in NAC in blancherstown that night so I booked a place and it was brillant. Think it was the first time in weeks that I could actually lift my knee with no pain! I've had to cut back on my running to and havent had all the prep I had planned done either but that's life! I've been luckey in some ways I have gotten up to 28miles done but not the 2 x30miles I had planned and my speed has droped as well but I am still going to suceed and get my 1st Ultra in Conn! I am hopefully getting one of the aqua running suits second hand and I spent the entire session just getting the form right was the slowest in the pool too so nothing new there! but I am confident that I will be able to do the aqua running correctly when I get the suit. Think it will be very good for the back and also when that's better it will be a great training tool. Am hoping to do the Chi running on the 27th of this month, think I have to try and learn to run a different way so as to avoide agravating the back problem as I don't think it's going to go anywhere soon! Best motivation I got was when my physio told me to give up running as I was too old! Jesus tell me what you really think...haha! Now I can't wait to throw my medal at him, give him a good slap of it! Children I tell him should be seen but never heard!!!!! Now I'm running just for time and not worring about the miles, I've done up to 6hours and hope to do another long run and that's as much as I can do for now as you said hopefully the weeks of proper hard running will stand to me but I've also learned to listen to what my body needs! Was about to throw in the towel but read your tread on bad days and the support was fantastic plus I had a call from someone who knew their stuff and that really put me in the right frame of mind so now I work hard when I can and rest when I need to and with a lota luck it will all come right on the day. As I always said my only goal is to finish in one peice! See you at the start and I got a lovely pink top to match your shorts haha. Best of luck dsedeath with your training in the next few weeks yvonne xx
the above comment went in twice sorry guys, yvo
Hey dsedeath, how are the legs, any better? I went to collect my aqua-running suit today and was talking the aqua coach I was telling them about you and your shin problems cause you had said that you would have like to try the aqua running hope you don't mind? they said if you wanted to try the aqua running they could arrange something with you so if you wanted to drop me a email on yvonne008@eircom.net I can pass on the phone number to you. They also suggested that a good trick for shin problems is to buy some plastic or paper cups, fill them with water and freeze them, when frozen apply them directly to the skin and rub them in in circular motions. This really improves the blood circulation in the legs and should help the muscles while easing the pain. Don't know if this of any help but mind yourself and good luck with both the training and the legs, yvonne xx
Shin has cleared up a lot, not completely one but back on my feet again. Went and got a few good (painful) massages, heat and cold treatments and did my last big training run last Sat (did a marathon), so feel I havent lost anthing with respect to strength, its still in the legs and the rest seems to have done me some good. Should be full on for the 11th, barring any other problems. Thinking I'll do 20miles this weekend, and cut back heavily from then on.
Glad to hear that dsedeath, look foward to seeing you on the 11th. My own training is very hit and miss at the moment have sick kids to mind and have cabin feever at the moment! Went for my last long run last thursday, wish I was a man had to hop a fense to go to the loo, wasnt a great idea as I don't know what I did to the back and hip getting back over the fense but the back and hip have been killing me ever since! God this running lark is not very friendly on the pocket, if anyone one wants to know where the missing millions are from all the banks just check out my medical bills haha. Have to go to Arklow on Sunday for a rowing meeting so will run there and back, I know it's a split run but that will be the last long one for me, then taper for the great event. Be all worth it though when I finish the Ultra and get my medal, think this one I will actually wear the whole time!
Dsedeath, Scraggbaby and Lucy .... dow did you get on ?? Dying to hear your reports.
What Scooby are you looking for tip for portumna haha! but come on guys spill how was it and who's doing it again next year?!
Anyone that has asked me this week I've said, "the day was beautiful, Connemara was fantastic and it was the hottest day of the year, when all my heavy training was running miles in the snow" (Remember the snow?)
Overall it was a strange day for me, first Ultra after having 3 marathons under the belt. Myself, wife, brother and his family had taken a self catering cottage in the middle of the Maamturks, fantastic place and it ensured we were as close to the start as you could get (and consequently as close to home as possible after the race).
Up and out early after the breakfast of porridge and headed straight for Peacocks. My brother was coming with me to cycle the course and hold my drinks and food and also to drag me along when I needed it. Something my preganant wife didnt feel up to on the day:)
Peacocks was unusual for me because I never had to go to a briefing before a race and all the Ultras were crowded into the ballroom, complete with the whiff of fear, excitement and deep heat. Ray got up on a table to wish us all luck and announce a few illustrious runners, one girl from NI who had done Everest, Mick Rice of course, and then some Italian (apologies for not remembering the name) who came 7th in the world 100km in 5 hrs something, a time than 90% of those there would have take in a flash to do the 63 that was ahead of us.
Anyway for us lesser mortals, we patted each other on the back, talked about the unusual glorious weather and what it would mean for the runj. I had prepared three sets of gear the week before...hot gear : sleveless compression top, short sleeve tshirt and the flourescent orange shorts, cold gear : long sleeve thermals, long sleeve tshirt and again the flourescent orange shorts and a middle road, but I wasnt greatly prepared for the heat....something I realised when half the guys were coating themselves from head to toe in mixtures of vaseline and sun screen.
Took buses to the start line, about a mile from MAam Cross and lined up ready to go. Ray then announced that the current holder of the Ultra record, Dennis Walmsley, was standing on the line, waiting to burst out and take down his record, but we had all heard the calibre of the competitiors at the elite end of the race so it should have made for good tv if anyone was up with the front runners, something I didnt expect to be for any longer than say 500m.
Actually I didnt feel that nervous, cant say why, normally I get wound up a little before a race. You never know what today is going to bring until you are actually out and running. Come 9, off went the gun and we were off. Whizzed into Maam Cross again without noticing it. Wife and brother were there to cheer me on and it was hard right and out into the wilds of Connemara.
I had arranged with my brother to sit for an hour and then chase me down on the bike. I wanted to get myself into my rhythm and relax into a nice steady pace, then when he'd catch me I'd be coasting. That was the plan.
Really quickly the field broke up, I suppose with 200 runners and many mile of open country that was very easy. By mile two I was on my own mostly and everyone seemed to be operating at their assigned pace. For me, I had hoped to come in under six hours with a great day goal of 51/2. I run about a 3:20 marathon and in training I was doing marathons in about 3:30-3:50. I knew I had missed some long runs due to injury and had to taper down 10 days before I had planned because I hit a serious wall 3 weeks before race start when I crashed out after running 5 miles two days in a row. All energy was gone and maybe I'd got to the point where I'd overdid it a little.
Anyway couldnt be thinking about that, today was the day. Miles three and four were very easy, just warming up really and was looking forward to the first water stop at mile 5. The day was sparkling and with little loughs and lakes to left and right, you could see the flat blue glass of the water reflecting the mountains towering over them. I've seen a few photos of the day and there are some incredible pictures of Connemara, Ireland is the best place in the world to holiday, if only we could roof the place.
There wasnt much passing at this point, though every now and then little groups of twos and threes went by me or me by them. I guess it was others settling into their own pace. Mile five and the first water stop. I had being keeping a close eye on the Garmin because I know I have a terrible urge to run at 'my comfortable pace' which I knew wouldnt help me today as its too fast. I had 12km/hr as a target, 8 minute miles and at mile 5 I was spot on and feeling good.
This part of the course is not very up and down so there was no hills or obstacles of that sort to contend with. Instead of looking around me I generally pick a tshirt somewhere in front of me and focus on that, see can I catch up or at least maintain the distance, so I picked 'little boy blue', no idea of who he was but he was wearing a blue top and looked little or maybe he was just far away :) Somewhere around this part of the course some southern ladies, sounded Cork like, cycled by, shouting me on with"Go on Jaffa", the orange shortscoming to the fore again. My brother caught me before we swung right again to head towards the marathon start and it was good to get the company. He checked me out, getting me to assess how I was feeling, did I need something to eat, drink and telling me I was flying along. I was looking forward to getting to the marathon start as I expected to see some activity, some supporters and secretly hoped to catch some of them befopre too long.
The Inagh Valley was incredible, the sun was getting high in the sky at this stage, mountains to the left of you, mountains to the right and the sun shining off the lake. Again I had to keep an eye on the clock because you can forget yourself in situations like that, I'd speeded up a bit again. As I crossed the marathon line, chalking up the first half marathon and getting one third of the way, it read 1hr 43 on the clock, a fraction ahead of schedule but pretty much where I wanted to be and feeling good. Brother told me, 'thats grand, you've done the warm up, now just run your marathon", sounds easy!
Then disaster hit, and I still dont know what happened. Another 500m or so and I suddenly felt bad, really bad with what felt like a big lump or know in the top of my stomach and it wouldnt go. My pace dropped off fast and I felt like I should get sick but nothing moved. Went to a portaloo and threw water over myself, stripped off the tshirt and ran in the compression top for a while but things were getting worse. I couldnt run properly and had to stop, drink and walk for a short bit before starting up again.
I could try and go through the rest of the miles till the end but they were very similar and being so fopcussed on myself I didnt take in much of what was going on. My brother was a great help and kept me going, especially by stocking up on water, he had three 1L bottles on the bike and I needed it all. Worse came farther up the road as I got a pain in my midriff, an ache from my back all the way around that meant I couldnt take deep breaths, anytime I tried the pressure on my lungs got severe and I had to stop and walk again. It felt like a diaphragm issue but I dont know. What it meant was I couldnt breath and mostly then couldnt run. This got worse after hitting the half marathon start, which I'd got to at 4hrs on the nose. So I'd made the marathon in just four hours, which meant I'd lost a lot of time 1:43 for first half, so 2:17 for seconf half and I knew worse was to come.
Yoiu might think that I'd be devastated at this point but very quickly after getting low I knew that it wasnt a 'shake it off' thing and that it was going to be tough for the day, so I'd dropped any time goals for finishing the race. That was the only thing on my mind, even if it meant struggling down those lasy 13.1 miles. I headed up the hill outside Leenane, knowing that there was 'only' a half marathon to go and that it was going to be tough but bad and all as it was, at least I'd had my wife catch me at a few points to cheer me on, though she was (obviously) hiding the fact that she was upset that things werent going my way. Plus my brother was dragging me on, especially with the water situation, making sure there was even enough for me to splash on the head. Great stuff on that day.
Rather than giving a long string of misery tale, let me start again at the top of the hell of the west, where the end was in sight. Going down the hill my legs were biting with cramp, which was not easy to run/walk off but I could see the tower in sight and was aiming for the start line again, which I'd left hours before and then I'd know there was only one mile to go.
At this stage the people around me were people that had been there for the last two hours. At different times we'd pass each other and change over and back the positions over the few miles, obviously all travelling at the same pace just having to walk at different times. So I decided that the last little victory I'd have would be to come home ahead of two of these that I'd exchanged places with for the last ages. We'd said hello, complained about and extolled the weather, talked of pain and suffering and that we were still going and were going to get there.
AS I came down the last stretch the MC was calling out my name, cheering me on, and that was great because it was a spur to the supporters to clap and you feel its really all about you ! Which I'm sure is the same for everyone else.
Crossed the line in over six and half hours, slower than I'd hoped by a good bit but it was about getting over the line from a long way out. I have the medal and tshirt, which is something that I'll always hold on to. The tough part of these races is the training, less about the day. To get to run the Ultra meant for me anyway, serious training starting in December, doing 20-28 miles of a long run for nearly 10 weeks and clocking 60+ miles a week most weeks. Regardless of how the day went, that will stick with me for the rest of the year. I was alwasy hoping that working on endurance would help with Cork, Lomgford and Dublin marathons this year so I wasnt too disappointed.
So even after feeling pretty ill for 26 miles or so, in the heat and getting sunburnt to match the orange shorts, it was a great day and I know you cant predict the weather so who knows what it will bring next year, but I'd love to give it another go. I'd really want to run the lot, start to finish and see what happens,but as I said, with a pregnant wife due in June, I mightnt get much sleep fopr the rest of this year :)
It was great to see Yvonne at the end, I flopped down on a chair after getting across the line and she came at me with a pliers. She was helping out in cutting off the timing chips, which was great because for certain I couldnt bend that far:) She was in great form, planning the assault of Portumna and other feats that sounded mad to me and I know I sound mad to others, so best of luck! And mybe Conn again next year
Well done for persevering, fantastic job. I finished in 7 hrs 20 and injury free which is always the added bonus. It was tough, but not so tough I wouldnt give it another go. You are right about the training, thats definately the hardest part, not physically but mentally giving up so many hours EVERY weekend through the winter. Now that the days are longer and weather better and you can get out early and have your run done before others have left the scratcher the cold dark mornings are a dim and distant memory! I really enjoyed it - long winding roads and while I spent most of it alone it was good to catch up with someone every now and then to get you to the next corner. And yes the MC calling your name at the finish makes you think you've won, which in effect you have as the race is only with yourself. So congratulations to all the winners and thank you to the stranger whose arms I fell into when I crossed the finish in flood of tears! (Sorry about that!) Lucy
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I was moved to tears almost by dsedeaths post. Major lump in the throat. What a fabulous achievement and a testament to mental strength , courage and steel liathroidi. God , what a tough race for you. I am so proud of you.
Do you think perhaps that you left your best on the training runs when you ran out of fue/got burned out three weeks before the event? If you had overtrained , unless you basically did no more running you wouldnt have had time in three weeks to recover adequately?
And Lucy. What a performance too . Go Girl. What awesome times you finished in too. I take it you have a speedy regular marathon finishing time too?
Do ye think that someone should have a minimum finishing time for the marathon before they would be able to take on this ultra in the future? I read somewhere that the guide is your marathon finishing time x2 plus one or two hours. Do you think this is anyway accurate? Am considering it for next year. Possibly.
Dsedeath great report mate i finished in 6hrs 37 so we could of swopped places a few times over the last 13 miles.When i signed up just to get round was my target but as i trained i thought i could do 6 hrs as 7 weeks before i manged 32 miles in 5hrs but it wrecked my knee and i was unable to train much for the last 5 weeks or so.On the day my knee held out great but the lack of running over the last weeks had left me down on fittness and confdence.Got to 26 in 4hrs 1min but had to run/walk the last 13 think i had a touch of heat stroke as i was sick when i got on the bus back to my hotel.Would i do it again you bet great event AND A BIG WELL DONE TO ALL WHO RAN you all know how tough a run it is.
I wouldnt feel too bad for me, I got around which was the main thing.
I think that there was a combination of things that meant I didnt do the time I hoped and a lot would have been to do with maybe doing a bit too much up to three weeks before. You shouldnt be as wrecked as I was, tired but not burnt out is the way to be, but still I rested a lot for the last three weeks. Whatever caused the blip after the first half, I dont know, but I couldnt eat for the rest of it which definitely had an effect in the last half, but in the end I I've learned a few things for later in the year which should help and there is always next year! Whats the course record again ? :)
There really is nothing that is a bad experience as we all learn from things going awry, and any situation where we learn isnt a total waste , even though we dont enjoy it at the time.
At least you know for next year that it wont be as bad again.
By the way. After following all the ultra folk this year I am tempted to hve a go at it for next year. What kind of advice would you give and which programme if any did you use to guide you through your training?
Jesus dsedeath I knew you were a runner but a poet? Fantastic report mate felt I was there with ya. Since I de-chipped David the course record stands at 4:03, so your goal for next year is.... Lucey were you given a bunch of flowers at the end of the race? Because if you were it was me who hugged ya and the timing seems about right. Congratulations to everyone who achieved their goals, who knows maybe I'll see ye all at the start line next year and that includes you Scooby, no excuse :-)
Yes I got flowers alright so it was probably me. I had no idea who was holding me up but that was the most wonderful hug, thank you thank you, thank you. Sounds like you didnt get to run yourself then? Put it in your diary for next year. I know the sun shone on us this year but either way its a most spectacular run. Ive run Sydney, Melbourne, New York, Berlin and nothing beats it.
Good luck in the Burren, thats fantastic scenery too but Im afraid the mucky slopes arent for me - I just dont have the opportunity to train on rough terrain so racing there is too risky in terms of injury. Thinking about giving Portumna a lash and for more lovely scenery and a great atmosphere Achill Half in July is worth a look.
Hi Lucey so we met after all just didn't know it:-) No I never got to run it...got a stomack bug and just can't shift it, have it still:( but I still got to enjoy the day helping out so that was good at least I was still part of the day....and usefull to it seem, your welcome for the hug part of the service! Yep my entry was defered till next year so am really looking forward to it, think a lot more races will have to be defered till they get the the bottom of this bug if you excuse the pun! but I'll wait and see, ya am looking foward to the Burren if I can do it and I don't mind walking as I know it will be a run/walk as I don't have a lot of experience of running off raod, do a bit of beach and trail and lots of hills so I'll hope for the best..... Again congrats on doing so well in Conn to everyone xx


You might want to do a few longer training runs than 26 miles for the ultra.
I used an altered version of the Hal Higdon training plan for the Comrades when I did it first. But there was a few weekends of 5 hour and 4 hour runs on the Saturday and Sunday.
The last 13.1 mies of the Connemara are the toughest. Most ultra runners will walk the hills on that at the very least. You would not want to go out fast for the first 26 miles.
Some people follow a 25 min run and 5 min walk every half hour as well as walking the hills.
What you do will depend on what training play you use but you proabably have a good base having done the Dublin marathon.
Here is the link to the Hal Higdon plan for the Comrades. Now it is a 6 month plan for a 54 mile race but should be able to amend it to suit your needs.
http://www.halhigdon.com/ultramarathon/ultramarathon2000.htm
Oh and good luck!