Dublin Marathon
Hey there, I ran the Irish runner 5 mile on Saturday, great day except for the rain!!!
It is 15 weeks to the Marathon and Im wondering if I should enter or not? I currently run up to 4 times a week usually. I have ran a number of races and am doing the 10 mile and hopefully the half marathon on the 21st August. Just wondering though if Ill be able to do the marathon in OctobeR? Any thoughts welcome.
I'm in a similar position Fitzyshea. Just did the Achill half there two weeks ago. Surprised with how relaxed I was and I quite enjoyed it apart from the killer hills on the last few miles. I got in just under the two hours so it's given me a bit of confidence to aim for Dublin. Just want to run one marathon in my life and I think this is the time. Just finding it hard now to get the motivation to get back into it. It's a bit all consuming I find esp coming up to races. I think though if you can think it you can do it. I find the training and commitment is harder than the actual race although I might not be saying that at mile 22....
I'm in a similar position Fitzyshea. Just did the Achill half there two weeks ago. Surprised with how relaxed I was and I quite enjoyed it apart from the killer hills on the last few miles. I got in just under the two hours so it's given me a bit of confidence to aim for Dublin. Just want to run one marathon in my life and I think this is the time. Just finding it hard now to get the motivation to get back into it. It's a bit all consuming I find esp coming up to races. I think though if you can think it you can do it. I find the training and commitment is harder than the actual race although I might not be saying that at mile 22....
Its the training the requires the dedication, the race is painfuil but possible once you have done the training. If you are finding it hard, especially as you up the miles/time on the road when training, then try and get a running partner that is at your pace. You will find you can chat for 80% of the time and then quieten down for the last bit as you both dig in to get the training run ddone.
Thanks desdeath, I started my training for the marathon this week. Im running 6miles Mon/Tues/Wed/Thurs this week and 8m Sat and Long run of 12m sun hopefully! 2 of the 6m runs are fatlek runs. It takes me about 50 mins to get around the 6M in the Phoenix Park which is where I normally run. I would usually run on the pavement or road however have started to run more on the trails as my legs are starting to get tired.
Just wondering what you think of this schedule? Too much or too little?
Oh and in your last post you said I should be getting up to 18miles before the half? I presume you mean 18 miles on my long run?
Fitzyshea, I run in the park all the time too and try and stay off the paths/road as much as possible, purely to protect against injury and it works great. When I started I got a lot of shin, leg injuries just from pounding on hard surfaces. If you run the park then you know there is a trail run that runs around the perimeter wall thats almost exclusively soft underfoot. I normally come in the little gate at Chapelisod village, run up the hill, down the Furry Glen then keeping the school on your left shoulder, run the trail from there to Farmleigh, Castelknock Gate, Ashtown Gate, Garda HQ and get back on the road to the Wellington monument then onto trail again by the magazine fort, along the pitches and start again if you want. Much easier on the pins.
Only thing I would say, personally speaking, is that I would drop the fartlek runs unless its somethign you really enjoy. Fartlek stuff is for building speed and quick recovery after exertion, rather than helping with the distance. Your first marathon is something you want to finish, hopefuilly keeping a consistent pace throughout and crossing the line without having much (anything?) left in the tank. Your second marathon is where you beat that time :) you are running more than enough in terms of days/miles, but I am not a fan of very hard weekends. If you look at your schedule, the week is relatively easy and consistent, then you jump up on sat and even more on Sun. General advice is to bracket hard runs with easy ones. So maybe throw in your 8 mile on one of the runs during the week and have a 6m on the Sat.
Be very careful about overtraining, your schedule sounds good, and it shouldnt be a problem, but any sudden increase in mileage can play a part in crossing the barrier from optimum to over trained. I burned out earlier this year after increasing miles for Conn Ultra and not taking enough rest, so I'm that much wiser now but its basically killed 2 months of training and I'm hoping to go for my PR in Dublin this year.
Stick with it and you will succeed! And I did mean try to have at least one 18-20 training run under your belt prior to the half, else it will be too late in your marathon training to put in those long runs.
Cheers desdeath great advice, I agree with you in relation to the fartlek, I dont like them at all! I find I can barely manage the 6miles while doing them. For this marathon I want to finish it and in a decent enought time. Im not trying to beat any records! Think Ill drop the fatlek for this week anyway. The plan Im following is actually the paln in the Irish runner 5mile training diary handed out this year after the run. Im going for the 3.15 to 4 hours plan. I would hope to complete the marathon within the 4 hour mark. If not just to finish will do me. Would you recommend doing the same distances next week or move on up with the mileage?
Is it necessary to be running 6 days a week for the marathon? I'd be afraid of overtraining completely. Can it be done with 4 days a week? Just wouldn't mind some bit of a social life (don't mean drinking, just a life) outside of it.
All I can tell you is what I find useful for me. Any and all plans published are designed for the generic runner, they dont take account of you size, age, weight, free time etc etc, so basically I dont bother following a plan. However, I do try and get the core details of most pans, which I believe are
1 consistent running (4+ days a week)
2 gradual build up of total miles per week
3 introduce rest periods/runs
4 gradual build up of long run mileage
After that then tempo runs (races), fartleks, hill repeats etc etc are all designed to train your body to run faster and should be introduced when thats what you want to do.
But if you go out 4+ times a week, bracket hard runs with easy runs and build up the miles then you will get there. If you want guidance for how many miles per week, sum the total for the week for your plan, say its 40 miles, then choose what you long run should be and divide the remainder into the rest of the days you will be running. Look to the gradual pick up of the long run and you will see it comes to a peak, usually keeps that intensity for 3 weeks or so and then tapers down in the week prior to the marathon. If you look to balance your long runs over the same kind of time period, making you have done at least the number on your plan and maybe one or two more then you will be fine. I prefer to take this approach as maybe you cannot do you long run on a particular weekend but you could stick it in on a Thursday evening (especially over the Summer). you allow yourself some flexibility but also ensure that you are getting the distances in.
Four days is enough but I believe that you will have to cram in more in those four days and I dont give up alcohol till about 1 month before. I would give up getting wrecked but 3-4 glasses of wine/beer wont upset the apple cart too much. Just remember we are not elite athletes, finely honed tuned running machines, so a liitle bit of alcogol or less than perfect nutition wont cause a catastrophe..
training for the dublin marathon in oct2010. run 4 times a week- recovery run (on grass), 6/7 mile (treadmill), 5 mile (treadmill or grass) and long run on road. Did a long run today 14 miles but was trying to run it a 9 min pace. My normal pace is 8 min. In order to do this I walked for a one minute after each mile. However I found by mile 7 i couldn't hardly run at all and ended up doing more walking than running. It was very stressful on the body. My mile splits were 9.30 and it was very difficult to finish. Is it normal to have a difficult long run like this or is it just me? Also will i become more efficent when i increase my long run mileage. Every second week my long run is reduced to 10 or 12 miles and the long run is increased every one week by 1or 2 miles. Any ideas out there, is it normal to have a awful long run like this? By mile 7 i was dying!!!! despite the fact I have fair number of 10 mile races and one 15 mile race a while back?



15 weeks is definitely enough time considering you are already up and running.
I would suggest that you should try and be up to 18 or so miles by the time the half marathon comes around. If you are only in a position to manage the half on Sept 18, then you would not be in a position for the marathon a month later.
Stick to a program and use the race series races as an indicator rather than an end in themselves. In fact, ignore them altogether, any proper training program will have you prepared for them anyway and you can use them as a marker of progress and how to manage your run on marathon day, for example you may find you start out too fast and feel wrecked on the half marathon, then you should sclae back your pace a little.
Completing a marathon is a product of 2 things time and dedication/discipline. you have the time, 15 weeks as you say, you just have to ask yourself do you have the discipline. Discipline is everything from ensuring you go out for your runs when you have planned and dont cry off with excuses to yourself, ensuring you eat and drink well (probably cut down/out alcohol), ensuring that you look after yourself, you listen to your body and you rest when appropriate, push harder when appropriate. And enjoy the bloody thing, when you do get around its a great experience !! You are then a king among men....or queen among women !